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alright, so i was gonna upgrade my tuners on my strat and saw some locking tuners. what exactly are they? do they keep the tuning head from turning? Smiley

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Post Date: 9/5/2008 @ 11:42 pm
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http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Midsize_510_Tuners_with_Black_Plastic_Knobs_3L3R.html

locking tuners keep the string from moving inside the tuning peg.

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and a shoutout to Scotty for the JSX!

Post Date: 9/5/2008 @ 11:46 pm

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sh!t. those are bank-breaking tuners!

Joe

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 12:10 am

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im sure there's cheaper ones..

ebay/kijiji/craigslist..

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and a shoutout to Scotty for the JSX!

Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 12:36 am

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okay.

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 12:55 am

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I think standard schallers or whatever fender uses in their deluxe strats can be had around $70.



Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 1:16 am

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thats how much i planned on spending on MF.

Joe

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 1:20 am

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guitardude82 said:

thats how much i planned on spending on MF.

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Check this site for Sperzel tuners: http://www.specialtyguitars.com/tuners/trimlock.html

Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 5:31 am

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thats even better lol.

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 2:44 pm

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Are these any good? Proline locking tuners for pretty cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Proline-Black-6L-Locking-Tuners-NEW-DESIGN_W0QQitemZ330268502282QQihZ014QQcategoryZ41434QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 5:54 pm

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Locking tuners are nice as I have Sperzel Trimloks on my custom axe.

You don't need locking tuners if you do this.

http://www.stringthis.com/howtostringu.html

I've strung my other two guitars this way and it works. Smiley

Rock while you can.

Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 6:03 pm

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interesting........

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 7:09 pm

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That's how I thought everyone wrapped strings.

I think I can add a bit here.

I don't believe the increased tuning stability associated with a locking tuning head comes from, or at least entirely comes from, the string actually slipping through the tuner's hole. (do you notice the trimmed string end actually getting shorter? Seems like if this occurred over time it'd eventually disappear).

I think it comes from the fact that with a locking tuner, you don't have the excess string wraps on the peg. (I've seen 5-6 wraps around the peg recommemded for the 'unwound' strings, typically G, B, E and 2-3 for the 'wound' strings, typically E, A, D).

With locking tuners the string is crimped without the 2-3" of slack left downstream of the head required to end up with the above mentioned number of wraps. String tunes to pitch with about a half turn on the peg.

The excess string in these wraps on a traditional tuning peg obviously must be tensioned/de-tensioned to the same degree as the rest of the string. Every time you tune. There-in lies the problem, and one of the main benefits of a locking head.

Kinda like the issues you'll find with a nut or saddle that's not properly sized and/or lubricated with graphite. (Ever notice a slight 'ching' at the nut that preceeds an 'out of tune' experience, most likely when tuning? Perhaps the pitch doesn't change when adjusting the way you think it should, then suddenly it does?) The difference in tension, in this case across the nut that hopefully just had a lack of lube issue, just equalized.

I think a similar thing happens with the wraps on the peg.

I put TonePros/Klusons locking vintage machine heads on my Les Paul Studio following the recommendation of...nuts, can't remember who. Someone here on Gnet. JC? I'm glad I did. But they're not cheap, ~ a hunerd bucks. Only negative with these is the locking mechanism is at the top, front side, of the head. Fairly gaudy looking knurled knob that threads over the top of the peg.

The American Deluxe Strat I just bought came with locking...pretty sure they're Schallers. They're awesome as well, and look much better than what I stuck on the Les Paul. Their locking mechanism is more disc shaped than barrel shaped, like the TonePros, AND they're on the backside, bottom, of the tuning machine.

I havn't any experience with any other of the locking machine heads available but I recall prices ranging from probably ~ 30 to 100 bucks.

A tuning machine isn't complex but remember you get what you pay for. It's more expensive to manufacture something, in this case 6 little somethings, with high quality components that are precision made from finer materials, than it is to do otherwise.

The other major benifit is how much easier it is to change strings. Absolutely NO mumbling under your breath. If you play a few guitars and change strings out fairly fequently, that just multiplies the advantages.

The other point to re emphasize is the lube, particularly for me at the nut. I'm getting tired of 'penciling'. I have found that you can re lube without removing strings, maybe everyone else already knew this, by simply penciling all around the string, either side of the nut, then lightly detensioning/retensioning.

I seem to have more of an issue with the Studio than any of my other guitars, perhaps because it gets more play, or used to any way, than anything else. But maybe it has nut issues. I do believe it's cut too high. For the Les Paul, I'm going to start researching into better, perhaps graphite, after market nut and bridge saddles, if anyone has any recommendations.

Button I've got to click now says 'Quick Reply'. Sorry. Makes me feel kinda like taking a whole cart load of crap into the '12 Item only' Express Line. But I'll get over it.

Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 7:33 pm

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Oh, another thing to consider if replacing tuning machines is the gear ratio. The lower it is (the greater the second number), the finer the adjustment.

Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 7:54 pm

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Locking tuners are all about the ease of restringing... not REALLY about going out of tune unless you're really lousy at stringing. It's easy to break a string at a performance by being andrenalized and thrashing'um.

Yes, much out of tuned-ness comes from the strings "catching and slipping" at the nut or on the pegs, which is solved by good lube.

The other parts of going out of tune comes from temperatures and humidity changing the shape of the wood, and I imagine that the strings deform slightly with time (stretch). So does the wood, really, but pretty slowly.

Personally, I was thinking of getting some locking ones to try different strings, widths, etc more easily. I just ordered some guitar graphite lube rather than using a pencil.

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Post Date: 9/6/2008 @ 10:18 pm

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GUITARDUDE82;I'LL ADD MY OPINION TO THE MANY GOOD ONES HERE.ASA A 37 YEAR GUITARIST AND BUILDER UP TILL A STROKE IN '03 LEFT ME ONE HANDED ON MY LASRT PERSONAL CUSTOM BUILD STRAT I USED SPERZEL LOCKING TUNERS BOUGHT THROUGH CARVIN AND WOULD NEVER BE WITHOUT'EM
IT'S NOT THE MORE SECURE STRING IN THE POST THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE SPEED INCREASE AT CHANGING A SET OR BETTER YET BROKEN ONE ON STAGE.
THEY RAN ME AROUND 40 SOMETHINGIN LIKE '99 I JUST GOT A SET OF PROLINE LOCKERS FROM AN EBAY AUCTION REAL CHEAP BUT FOUND THEM UNUSEABLE
THEIR DESIGN HAS THE ENTIRE STRING SPINNIN AROUND TILL IT LOCKS DOWN
NOT GOOD,VERY CLUMSY. HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL TO YOU AND GOD BLESS!!

Post Date: 5/19/2009 @ 10:27 am


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