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I have a Yamaha G-231 II - some questions (repair, what do I have, quality, etc)
Chaim
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I wasn't sure if I should post this here or in classical (it is about a nylon string classical guitar) but that area seems to be mainly about technique, and this post is about hardware.

Anyway, I found my old classical guitar from when I played 20+ years ago.

I quit playing a bit over 20 years ago. It sat for several years, but when my brother was a music/guitar major at a major university he borrowed it for a couple years for his classical guitar classes and lessons. When he took temporary possession it was noticed that there was a minor mold problem inside the guitar. My brother retired the guitar and bought his own classical when there developed a problem in the bridge. He reports that you can't string the high-E, apparently the bridge won't hold it (you can't tie it or something like that).

So, it has spent the past few years in my parents' basement and the mold problem has become quite a bit worse.

I am going to see what I can do myself about the bridge but now have a couple questions.

How special is the G-231 II? I know it is a fairly common discontinued Yamaha. I figure it is probably cedar/mahogany laminate. However, from what I can gather from the net is that the popular wisdom is that they are nice playing and sounding guitars (when I played as a pre-teen and young teen I didn't have much knowledge from which to judge).

So, can the mold be cleaned up somehow (it is inside the body of the guitar)? Leaving it, especially as it gets worse, worries me from a health standpoint (some molds can be dangerous). Then again, removing it may be worse.

Also, if the bridge needs professional attention (and/or if the mold needs professional attention) how much is too much to fix this guitar? At what point is it no longer worth it to repair it and I'm better off trashing it and buying a new classical when I want to add a nylon stringed guitar?

Post Date: 9/10/2008 @ 3:35 am
RE: I have a Yamaha G-231 II - some questions (repair, what do I have, quality, etc)
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Hmm, no one has any ideas?

I'll call a local shop and ask about treating the mold problem. It doesn't look like it is IN the wood, only on the surface, but it is all over the interior. I don't know if it is coincidence, but I've been having sinus/allergy trouble since I brought this guitar to the apartment. If it can't be treated/cleaned I will probably trash the guitar and eventually buy a new nylon string guitar (too bad, from what I can find on various forums, it seems these are good guitars for the price and as one I've had since I was 12 I hate to be rid of it). I'll definitely never store another guitar in my parents' basement (I wouldn't anyway, it ended up there in the same way so many things you leave at your parents house end up in the basement or attic- they put it there to get it out of the way).

Post Date: 9/14/2008 @ 7:49 am

RE: I have a Yamaha G-231 II - some questions (repair, what do I have, quality, etc)
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I think this tellls you everything you need to know.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=Yamaha+G-231&_fromfsb=0&_trksid=m270.l1313

I have both kinds of guitars - Fender AND Gibson.

Post Date: 9/14/2008 @ 4:41 pm

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Any idea the difference between the G-231 (the guitars on Ebay) and the G-231 II (my guitar)? Yeah, at any rate, they aren't expensive guitars and it would probably be cheaper to just buy a new (used) one- most of what I read online say they are worth $100-200 depending upon condition. However, since this is the guitar I played when I was 12 until I gave up the guitar at 15 (I'm now 38) it has some sentimental value for me and I'd probably be willing to pay up to about $200 to keep this guitar and get it fixed up.

On the other hand, I am getting more and more concerned about the mold (is the mold why I seem to be sick right now? how long can the guitar sit in my living room before the mold spores infect my Ibanez AF-95 or Seagull S6?). Certainly, if the mold can't safely be fixed (for under $200) I will be trashing the guitar. And to be safe (in case my currently being sick is due to the mold, and in case it might infect my other guitars) if I am unable to find anything out by about mid-week I'll be throwing it away as well.

Post Date: 9/14/2008 @ 5:41 pm

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OK, I did a search about the mold (not sure why I didn't to begin with). It looks like something that is home treatable so I'll give it a try, then the only thing that may cost (more than the couple bucks for the home treatment) is a possible bridge repair (my brother, who played this guitar for a couple years, says that the high e string won't tie around the bridge anymore, it slips).

For anyone with a mold growth problem in one of their guitars, there was an archived thread at the acoustic guitar forum that linked to two interesting solutions.

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-114600.html


I'll use both- boric Acid (is that the same as borax in most powdered laundry soaps?), then rice, then baking powder. The case is an old cheap "hard" case, more like cheap particle board or even cardboard with some vinyl covering. It would probably be easiest just to throw the case away, but there may be hope for the guitar Smiley

Post Date: 9/14/2008 @ 6:02 pm

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Hey, it's a free country, do whatever you want, but there IS such a thing as throwing good money after bad. And I've gotta wonder about the structural integrity of a cheap acoustic guitar that sat around in heat and humidity conditions for long enough that it's got enogh mold growing in it to make you sick. You must be one sentimental SOB.

I have both kinds of guitars - Fender AND Gibson.

Post Date: 9/15/2008 @ 2:11 pm

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True, it may need an awful lot of work (a few years in a damp basement, where my parents are about to spend some $$ on mold removal, couldn't have done any part of the guitar very much good). I'll spend a few bucks (I'll use about $2 worth of boric acid and rice) to try to clean out the mold. After that, I'll bring it to a local shop/luthier that is pretty reputable (Appalachian Bluegrass) and ask them to check it over and tell me if it is worth it to fix before I just start spending money (assuming I can't figure something out with the bridge myself). The guitar has some sentimental value, but I'm not stupid Smiley

Post Date: 9/15/2008 @ 9:24 pm

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Cool. It's just that sometimes people get so close to something that they lose their objectivity. Doesn't sound like that's the case with you, but my mission here is to be blunt, and in that regard I usually succeed with flying colors.

If it were me in this situation, I would just have my excuse to buy my next "new" guitar, probably a little upgrade from what I had before, but that's just me.

I have both kinds of guitars - Fender AND Gibson.

Post Date: 9/15/2008 @ 10:12 pm

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RE: I have a Yamaha G-231 II - some questions (repair, what do I have, quality, etc)
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What about something on how strings react to scale length. Like a baritone guitar tuned to B vs a 25.5 or a 24 scale length Altered Carbon Coat..

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