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Wife has been out of town for a couple days, so I have had some extra time on my hands. (imagine that!) I have had a Peavey valveking 112 for sale for about a wk. or so. to no avail. On a whim, I decided to do a lil research on the vk. and it seems that the clean channel is the same circuit as a Fenders. The drive channel is similar to that of a Marshall. So I decided to do a lil a/b test with my ol blues jr. tweed. The result, to my amazement, was really not that different other than volume. I do agree that the vk could use speaker swap (lil fizzy) but other than that, pretty solid sound. I have decided, much to the wifes dismay, that I am gonna keep the VK as well as th BJ. 
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ah crap, sorry! I thought I was in the amp forum!
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I never thought the ValveKings were ever that bad! That was a runner up when I got my Classic 30 (and the Traynor YCV 40 was there too!). Any of those 3 amps mentioned are great working man amps, and with a speaker upgrade, become a very hot item!
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I have bee using a Traynor YCV40WR for several years now and it is a great amp. There are a lot of great amps being made these days. You just have to find the one that suits your sound. My next amp is probably going to be a MESA of some sort.
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I moved it for you Rick.
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Thanks mdw. senior moment! haha
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Maritimer said:
I never thought the ValveKings were ever that bad! That was a runner up when I got my Classic 30 (and the Traynor YCV 40 was there too!). Any of those 3 amps mentioned are great working man amps, and with a speaker upgrade, become a very hot item!
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Thanks, from the research that I did, the classic 30 and vk basically have the same tone circuit if I remember correctly. It would make sense that the speaker would be the big difference. The 1 thing that I do not like about the vk is that its 16 ohms. That kinda limits ya if you want to find a good deal on a speaker.
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I don'tknow about the circuits but I believe the VK uses 6L6GC power tubes as compared to the Classic 30 which uses EL-84s They both use 12AX7s in the preamp section
I would think the difference in the power tubes alone would make a distinguishable tonal variation
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The Classic 30 does use EL84's. I have always been more into the 6L6 sound.
I owned an old Gregory Mark X that had EL84's in it and it was the cleanest and warmest sounding amp I can remember. The circuit diagram for this amp is still available .... I thought about building one just for fun.
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Probably at the volumes you're playing you're not going to get any power tube break up anyway. You've got a lot of headroom.
16 ohm speakers are very common and are used in most speaker cabinets. You should be able to find a good deal on a Celestion. You might want to look at the Avatar Speaker Hellatone 30 http://www.avatarspeakers.com/hellatone.htm They're a Celestion G12H30 70th Anniversary available in 16 ohms and run about $99. They're a 30W speaker. I think you've got a 40W amp. Chances are you're only using about 10W max. Your wife would throw you out of the house if you cranked it to 40W or to power distortion.
If you're not diming your amp you won't have to worry about blowing the speaker.
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Having spent some time with a VK212 on loan, it simply sounded like an amp with nothing special that happens to use a tube-based circuit. YMMV. I would take a Traynor over that specific Peavey.
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Julia_343 said:
Probably at the volumes you're playing you're not going to get any power tube break up anyway. You've got a lot of headroom.
16 ohm speakers are very common and are used in most speaker cabinets. You should be able to find a good deal on a Celestion. You might want to look at the Avatar Speaker Hellatone 30 http://www.avatarspeakers.com/hellatone.htm They're a Celestion G12H30 70th Anniversary available in 16 ohms and run about $99. They're a 30W speaker. I think you've got a 40W amp. Chances are you're only using about 10W max. Your wife would throw you out of the house if you cranked it to 40W or to power distortion.
If you're not diming your amp you won't have to worry about blowing the speaker.
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Can't resist the urge: your output transformer probably has multiple taps which you could use for a 8 ohm or 4 ohm speaker output if you wanted to. Assuming the warranty isn't a concern, you don't mind doing a little math to confirm which tap to use, etc. Not a solution for everyone.
However, most amps can tolerate a mismatched speaker impedance if you wanted to go that route as well. I'd have thought that your options for 16 ohm speakers would be pretty broad nonetheless.
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When VKs hit the market people were giving them high praise so I had to try one and if it was that good I would trade my Classic 30 in for one.
I tried a 112 that did have a Cellestion in it . It wasn't bad but it wernt no Classic 30. Sound like it lacked depth and tone.
A year later I tried a VK 212 and I thought it sounded very good.
So the first ones may have not been up to snuff. Peavey may have resolved some issues of first generation amps.
I think the Classic 30 can use various ohm rated speakers so check with Peavey the VK may also do that trick. 16 ohms like Julia said are available.
So did you keep the Mustang you had ? I just heard an impressive demo over on The Gear Page forum of a Mustang IV.
Running 2 or three amps at once is fun. Just duck when your wife starts throwing stuff at you. A bunch of little amps can sound like a great big scary amp.
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Swamp Rocker said:
When VKs hit the market people were giving them high praise so I had to try one and if it was that good I would trade my Classic 30 in for one.
I tried a 112 that did have a Cellestion in it . It wasn't bad but it wernt no Classic 30. Sound like it lacked depth and tone.
A year later I tried a VK 212 and I thought it sounded very good.
So the first ones may have not been up to snuff. Peavey may have resolved some issues of first generation amps.
I think the Classic 30 can use various ohm rated speakers so check with Peavey the VK may also do that trick. 16 ohms like Julia said are available.
So did you keep the Mustang you had ? I just heard an impressive demo over on The Gear Page forum of a Mustang IV.
Running 2 or three amps at once is fun. Just duck when your wife starts throwing stuff at you. A bunch of little amps can sound like a great big scary amp.
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Yes, its funny, but most of the time I just use the little mustang to play around the house. Its just pretty cool to be able to turn a knob and get a lot of different sounds. I'd say I play through it 75% of the time. For low volume stuff, you just can't beat it. I'm sure its not for a true tube amp snob. But for my ears, I really can't tell much of a difference in a simulated sound, and a real tube sound. The only difference that I hear is depth of sound.
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Julia_343 said:
Probably at the volumes you're playing you're not going to get any power tube break up anyway. You've got a lot of headroom.
16 ohm speakers are very common and are used in most speaker cabinets. You should be able to find a good deal on a Celestion. You might want to look at the Avatar Speaker Hellatone 30 http://www.avatarspeakers.com/hellatone.htm They're a Celestion G12H30 70th Anniversary available in 16 ohms and run about $99. They're a 30W speaker. I think you've got a 40W amp. Chances are you're only using about 10W max. Your wife would throw you out of the house if you cranked it to 40W or to power distortion.
If you're not diming your amp you won't have to worry about blowing the speaker.
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I second that Hellatone recommendation. I have two of them - the 30 and 60 (ie. G12H30 and Vintage 30) in a 2x12 cab and they sound incredible right out of the box, as the good people at Avatar break them in professionally.
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