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Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
franmonaj
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Hi there....

did you guys know Malmsteen used fender amps for recording the
concerto album? If you have a chance to hear it, you'll notice how
neat the guitar sounds. Now, I researched a bit on it, and it turns
out he used a fender rock pro 1000. I believe that was mainly due to
the venue. It seems there was no way to crank the marshalls all the
way up without bothering the rest of the orchestra musicians. Anyway, the funny thing is, you'd never say it isn't a tube amp! To me, it's one of the most articulate rock guitar sounds I've never heard.

Now, have you had a chance of testing any of those amps out? Im
looking into maybe buying a second hand one, but , as it's
impossible to come up with any of them in stores, you need to buy it
without seeing it first.

Ok, so please, drop any comments on this amp and let me know
what you think or what you've heard about it. Also, I'd like to know if you have tried both the combo and the head version. My understanding is that both are identical in their internal hardware, the only difference being the 1.12'' speaker for the combo vs the 4.12'' for the head and stack. It's almost impossible to come across a head one today, so I guess Im going to go for the combo one and then maybe try to plug it to a 4.12' marshall or something like that.

Thanks guys!!

Fran Monaj, Spain


Post Date: 1/7/2006 @ 11:24 am
RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
mycatsboots
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You are missing a few key parts of the equation.

Malmsteen has a unique guitar with its scalloped board (which he uses to cheat mind you, a lot of his "stretch" legato arpeggios aren't as hard as they appear, he just presses down hard, his fretboard is scalloped so deep you can raise the pitch by pressing down hard) A lot of people forget that different hands sound different on different guitars. You can technically play the same notes as him but simply sound different.

On top of this, his style and distinct sound is mainly built on lots and lots of effects. He uses delays, stereo phases, chorus, overdrives, suppressors, and plenty more. If you ever listened to Yngwie play straight clean it isn't anywhere near as impressive mainly because it just sounds like a twangy attempt at classical music (he has also become very sloppy).

I'm trying to convey that you won't sound like Malmsteen just because you happen to use his amplifier, he has tons and tons of effects when he plays live. In the studio he overdubs himself and double tracks some parts to get a lot of those good sounds. So if you want to sound like him, I suspect you should get ready to be forking over a pretty penny or two.

P.S. I wouldn't care if he cheated, but when he speaks of himself he speaks like he is a Greek God and people should bow before him, and it also annoys me that when he ALWAYS uses his middle initial, and when he says it he points at the person he is speaking to. Did I mention he still wears tight leather pants even though he has put on a solid 100 pounds? Honestly, Yngwie should take his grizzly bear shaped body and fight a REAL grizzly bear and die.

P.S.S. Obviously I hate Yngwie, so don't start a flame war over why and why not to like Yngwie, but what I said about gear and sound is relevant so try to follow some of that Smiley

P.S.S.S.

Post Date: 1/7/2006 @ 4:48 pm

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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i think my old teacher has that amp...it has a pretty nice od/distortion channel and clean. he's got a 112 combo and a 112 cab for it i believe. the amp's a little wonky now, but it still sounds good.

i'd say if you can get one, go for it. i believe its a hybrid as well. nice amp, a bit heavy though Smiley

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and a shoutout to Scotty for the JSX!

Post Date: 1/7/2006 @ 4:55 pm

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Thanks for your info Mycats....I knew what you were saying beforehand...that's why I was expressly talking about the Concerto album. I know FOR SURE he just used the fender rock pro 1000 head, plus a dod 308 and a boss NS 2 noise supressor...no delays, chorus or even compressor.....therefore just his malmsteen signature, the overdrive and that particular amp.

So, If you closely hear that, You wont notice any second take, doubings or any kinds of effects whatsoever....that's why I was looking for second opinions not on his overall studio albums´tone, effects or guitars and so on, but on that particular amp (combo and head) used only in that Concerto Album.

So, thanks for filling me in with all that info about Malmsteen. I totally understand you dont like him, I dont personally like him either....but he has one of the best guitar tones out there ever! If you can or can't play it, that's a tottally different issue. I'm just trying to come up with that awesome rock guitar tone he has.

And yes...I already have every little part in the equation you were mentioning above! I was just missing the fender amp and I'm trying to get some opinions regarding it, if possible!

thanks again,

franmonaj

Post Date: 1/8/2006 @ 11:10 am

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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One of the studios my guitar tutor used recently is owned by the chap who produced all/most of Malmsteens albums (its only what I heard).

Apparently Malmsteen would sometimes walk in wearing 4 gold Rolex Watches, sometimes with only one of them actually working.

Bit off topic, but funny all the same.

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Post Date: 1/8/2006 @ 12:14 pm

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He used vintage marshalls in his later days and his sound didnt change very much.

Post Date: 1/8/2006 @ 12:26 pm

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Quoting mycatsboots
a lot of his "stretch" legato arpeggios aren't as hard as they appear, he just presses down hard, his fretboard is scalloped so deep you can raise the pitch by pressing down hard

P.S. I wouldn't care if he cheated, but when he speaks of himself he speaks like he is a Greek God and people should bow before him

I still don't know where you're getting your info from...

What "stretch" arpeggios does he do? I've never seen him stretch more than maybe 5 frets, which just comes with practise. Similarly, watch videos of him playing and, well, I've never seen him do anything unusual, like pressing really hard (what I mean is, his hands always look to me like they're hitting the right frets - no trickery).

I'd also love if you'd link me to some examples of him sounding like a Greek God. I've read a lot of Malmsteen interviews, and while he can be arrogant, I've never found anything so severe.

And where did you get the info about his gear? Not doubting this, just curious.
I doubt he uses much more gear than most other pros.

I also have never heard him play very sloppily on acoustic. Any particular tracks I should listen to for this?

Sorry to the original poster for being so off-topic. I was surprised to hear that it's not an all-tube amp, mainly because Malmsteen's always used very vintage Marshalls. I was looking at the reviews on Harmony Central. A lot of people seem to find it doesn't cut through very well. I wonder if that wasn't so much of a problem with an orchestra?

- I'm not lazy, I'm just temperamentally disinclined to exert myself in any way.

Post Date: 1/9/2006 @ 8:58 pm


RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Honestly I think thats one of the worst full sized amps ever made. My friend uses one as his main amp and the sound is dreadful, more like downright atrocious. The clean is very nastily distorted and the dirty is extremely... bad, with all sorts of weird feedback type sounds, just like all of fender's attempts to create a dirty amp(excluding amps like the Hot Rod etc). If I were to compare this amp in a metaphorical sense I would say that while a nice Marshall or Mesa Boogie has a great "warm sound", this amp is dry and cold as rock hard ice.

I would feel very bad for you if you wasted your money on this amp, yet it is your choice, I really really strongly suggest you don't get it.

Yet some people may like this amp and I don't want to offend them Smiley . Just my opinion.

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Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 6:01 am

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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My Brother is after one, he says it made his old Squire Strat "Sound like a £1000 guitar".

I think that he needs to get a life.

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Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 7:52 am

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Cheating? is that even possible? Since when the hell did sound become a competition?

I've read your stuff at digg as well as your stuff here MyCatsBoots, get over yourself, you're too pretentious for your own good and your logic is skewed.

By your logic, Michael Romeo's two hand tapping would be considering "cheating" .. Smiley HE'S HITTING NOTES IN SEQUENCES WHERE THE FINGERS ON HIS PLAYING HAND COULD NEVER REACH! CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!

Seriously, you annoy me, and not just here.. Heres a idea, take a handfull of magnets and stick them to your motherboard.

Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 12:28 pm

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Quoting Mithotyn


Seriously, you annoy me, and not just here.. Heres a idea, take a handfull of magnets and stick them to your motherboard.

Here's an idea, leave.

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Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 1:06 pm


RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Quoting Mithotyn
Cheating? is that even possible? Since when the hell did sound become a competition?

I've read your stuff at digg as well as your stuff here MyCatsBoots, get over yourself, you're too pretentious for your own good and your logic is skewed.

By your logic, Michael Romeo's two hand tapping would be considering "cheating" .. HE'S HITTING NOTES IN SEQUENCES WHERE THE FINGERS ON HIS PLAYING HAND COULD NEVER REACH! CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!

Seriously, you annoy me, and not just here.. Heres a idea, take a handfull of magnets and stick them to your motherboard.

On digg.com I am often very professional because the site depends on the community alone to keep it a good site, so I try to model that belief there. I only posted comments on the PrcieRightPhoto scam, the Sprint GPS story, and a few other "conspiracy" like stories. Never once on digg have I flamed someone. The only time I even pointed out someone elses comment was when someone stated that shredders are the most creative guitarists of all time. In which I replied that shredders are often just as repetitive as some punk guitarists now a days.

3 Chords = Punk
3 Harmonic Minor Runs = Shredder

Now those are obviously figurative numbers, so don't even pull that fight with me, but you get the idea.

Why do I say Yngwie cheats?

Because he plays "sloppy" beautiful music. When Hendrix played, his signature sound was just from his amp, guitar, a fuzz/uni-v or two, and just his playing style. The same applies to many guitarists, you can just tell that they are playing when they pick up their instrument. See Santana, Page, Hendrix, Clapton, and etc for a raw distinct sound.

Yngwie has a signature sound, but most of it can be attributed to his studio effects. Listen to Yngwie play on an instructional video. When he plays clean or with mild grit, it doesn't really sound all that impressive or special to me. (Feel free to say, "Well new technology has come out since Hendrix's day, he would've used it too!" but that is a whole different argument you don't want to start)

I don't like Yngwie, I think he is very arrogant (so am I, takes one to know one), his style bores me (Honestly can you sit down and listen to an entire Yngwie cd and enjoy yourself?), why do you care so much if I don't like someone that you do? Welcome to the internet, I am entitled to my difference of opinion.

Here is an idea, the world is full of people you don't like, ignore them, do the same to me if I bother you so much.

Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 1:18 pm


RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Well we'll leave it at this.

Hendrix had his fair share of pedals, from what I know he built them, and if you can say his impact on the music scene would have been as great without them.... well, i'd have to disagree, and by your logic, which is seemingly biased, I would call that cheating.

Lastly, what you call "cheating", I call "technique".. but I can understand why malmsteen is hateable, and I do appreciate guitarist that play more from the heart, like me - so arrogant to say. But thats not malmsteens style, so you're critisizing him for something he never admits to doing, playing for the love of playing, he plays to shock people.

Normaly I leave stuff like this alone, but normaly i'm not 15 hours from my last cigarette. I cant say I defend any previous thing that I wrote, simply because I do not know you better, but I wouldn't rule out a chance that I could if I did know you better. You seemingly try to push/force your opinions onto others with manipulative speechcraft (and immediately bring a friend to this thread to make me look bad when you read my post, to make you look so much better when you reply, i've seen you "gangrape" people at digg like that, that is despicable), that is mainly the reason why you annoy me. You act like you own every place that you go.

By the way I don't like him, I've never bought one of his CD's, I think he's a prick and I download his stuff illegaly, if you think i'm standing up for him you're dead wrong, I just don't like people frusterated with the art of technique calling other guitarists (whoever they are) cheaters. and studio effects? they are there for a reason, if you think anybody on your influences list just picked up a guitar, hooked it raw into their amp and got the sound that made them famous, then you're crazy. did SRV cheat when he used custom made 18 guage strings?

Post Date: 1/14/2006 @ 1:47 pm

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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HI There again.....

I guess Mycats doesnt know what he is talking about. Malmsteen doesnt use any effects. He just uses a marshall (no master volume), a dod overdrive pedal, a noise supressor and a simple delay. That's all...and that's the key to sounding that natural. Actually, as much distorsion as he can put on the guitar, he always sound clear to me and not sloppy at all. He has a violin-like sound only compared to that on Brian May or Blackmore.

Then, If you can literally make out all the notes he plays, where is the chating? I wonder.


Take a look at this recording I just made. It's a passage from far Beyond the sun. I recoded it with a Malmsteen signature guitar, a Dod and a Crate Tube Amp....Is there any cheating there?? haha.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=469045


Ps....anymore ideas about the rock pro 1000? NOw, take a look at the pic (click on the link below). That's a picture of the gear used by malmsteen for his Concerto album.....again!!! WHERE IS THE CHEATING??? haha

http://uk.geocities.com/strat110/rocpro.jpg

Take care,

franmonaj

Post Date: 1/15/2006 @ 12:14 pm

RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Quoting franmonaj
HI There again.....

I guess Mycats doesnt know what he is talking about. Malmsteen doesnt use any effects. He just uses a marshall (no master volume), a dod overdrive pedal, a noise supressor and a simple delay. That's all...and that's the key to sounding that natural. Actually, as much distorsion as he can put on the guitar, he always sound clear to me and not sloppy at all. He has a violin-like sound only compared to that on Brian May or Blackmore.

Then, If you can literally make out all the notes he plays, where is the chating? I wonder.


Take a look at this recording I just made. It's a passage from far Beyond the sun. I recoded it with a Malmsteen signature guitar, a Dod and a Crate Tube Amp....Is there any cheating there?? haha.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=469045


Ps....anymore ideas about the rock pro 1000? NOw, take a look at the pic (click on the link below). That's a picture of the gear used by malmsteen for his Concerto album.....again!!! WHERE IS THE CHEATING??? haha

http://uk.geocities.com/strat110/rocpro.jpg

Take care,

franmonaj

Watch his Hot Licks video, he talks about using stereo phaser and studio effects and stuff, he admits it.

You can also hear the overdubbing if you listen to his songs.



P.S. You also say Malmsteen uses NO EFFECTS.

I guess he just likes a places to hide all his 9V batteries then

If you want to read why I don't like Malmsteen, then please read this

My original point was you won't get Malmsteen's signature sound just by buying his amp, there is a lot more that goes into his sound than just a Fender head, so sorry for trying to be constructive and save your wallet a needless beating.

Post Date: 1/15/2006 @ 2:04 pm


RE: Fender Rock Pro 1000 (a malmsteen sound)
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Hi again Mycats....

Come on....take a listen to this,

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=469045

And tell me that's not a malsmteen signature sound...hahaha....and then ask me what I used to record it!! Okydoky???

Do it please, make an effort and then give me your feedbacks on overdubbing, cheating and.....effects!! haahhaha

take care,

fran

Post Date: 1/16/2006 @ 6:38 am


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