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Hello,

I just bought an old speaker from a guy who said he removed it from an old Victor cabinet that was part of an old projector. The speaker looks like an old Jensen like they used in Leslie cabinets with the large Alinco magnet. It has numbers on the rim that don't really match any info I've found online so I was wondering if someone here could help me identify it. Most importantly I'd like to find out the wattage rating. The numbers/letters on the rim are
12 PH16 A NJ7.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Post Date: 5/26/2011 @ 7:44 pm
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Try contacting Jensen and other companies. With heavy Alnico magnet, no doubt a quality speaker. Music speakers and guitar amp speakers are 2 different animals so before you wreck it find out what it is.

Post Date: 5/31/2011 @ 10:21 am

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Swamp Rocker...thanks for your reply. I'm pretty much at my wits end about this speaker. I've emailed every person I could find on this subject and no one has any info. I sounds very nice with an 18 watt amp I had made by a friend but I haven't really turned it up to hear the natural distortion sound for fear of frying the voice coil.
After doing as much research online as I could I'm still not sure what it is. My guess was Jensen because it looks like a P12N I have but like I said, the numbers don't match any Jensen. I did see somewhere that Norelco made speakers for Jensen early on and this speaker came form an old Victor projector which go way back. My guess at the numbers/letters are 12=size,P=alnico, 16=ohms, NJ=Norelco made for Jensen. The H, A and the 7 are still a mystery at this point. The 7 might be the last number of year of manufacture so my guess is 1947 because it's too old to be '57. The H or the A have to be the wattage rating but those ratings don't use an A or a H. This site is the best info I could find on dating musical instruments. http://home.provide.net/~cfh/pots.html

Post Date: 5/31/2011 @ 2:07 pm

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My guess is that PH stands for Philips



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Post Date: 6/1/2011 @ 9:42 am

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Philips Philco could be right 6

Try speaker repair shops, a net search will find you some those around the country. They may be able to figure it out from that coding.
If it is real old I hope the cone holds up, time has a way of wearing stuff out. That magnet is good and the speaker may be worth reconing if it goes.

16 ohms maybe right ,, a quick test with a multi meter will tell you the ohms. If there is a Harbor Freight tool store nearby , Multi meter is $3 battery included. To test, disconect any wires to speaker, then you can read the resistance,, 4, 8, or16 will read on the meter.

Post Date: 6/1/2011 @ 11:42 am

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six string for hire....thank you for the ray of light on this subject. I don't see any direct matches to this speaker's numbers/letters but after getting your information and doing a Philips-Norelco search I find that they did make speakers under that name. Here's a link to a set for sale
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/philips-norelco-alnico-speakers-12-ad-1055-w8-pair. The age of these speakers is way too late to be in the same family as mine but there might be a connection somewhere and I'll do some more searching around on the internet. The quest continues. Thanks again.

Post Date: 6/1/2011 @ 11:53 am

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Swamp rocker.........yes, the first thing I did was test for the ohmage and it indeed came up 16 ohms. I've emailed about a half a dozen speaker guys and no one seems to have the info. One fella said Ted Weber was the guy to ask but he's been gone two years now.

Post Date: 6/1/2011 @ 11:56 am

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Try Parts express, they have techies that are pretty knowledgable.
http://www.parts-express.com/

Give them a call, if they can't help you then they may know who can.

Post Date: 6/1/2011 @ 9:13 pm

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Thanks for the link. I emailed them and will let you know if/when I get a reply.

Post Date: 6/2/2011 @ 11:18 am

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Received a reply from Parts Express saying this speaker was probably 25-35 watts. Thanks to Swamp Rocker, six string for hire and this forum for the help.

Post Date: 6/2/2011 @ 1:46 pm

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If it is a Jenson, I think the code you've shown is more to do with the spec than a serial number.

I found a site that I accidentally closed and can't seem to find it in my history, but it breaks down some of the Jenson serials that may put yours as:
12' speaker, 16 ohm, I think that the NJ may stand for New Jersey as they did have a factory out there. But the PH is throwing me! It may be the cone type. Sayingthat, It may mean Phillidelphia and the NJ7 might be the cone or magnet type.

I also found a site for dating Jenson Speakers.... lets just say, it's the wrong kind of dating... all users are given a serial number. Don't get me wrong, I'm a modern man, but I was quite shocked!!

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Post Date: 6/3/2011 @ 7:06 am

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wRONg chords Warner said:

If it is a Jenson, I think the code you've shown is more to do with the spec than a serial number.

I found a site that I accidentally closed and can't seem to find it in my history, but it breaks down some of the Jenson serials that may put yours as:
12' speaker, 16 ohm, I think that the NJ may stand for New Jersey as they did have a factory out there. But the PH is throwing me! It may be the cone type. Sayingthat, It may mean Phillidelphia and the NJ7 might be the cone or magnet type.

I also found a site for dating Jenson Speakers.... lets just say, it's the wrong kind of dating... all users are given a serial number. Don't get me wrong, I'm a modern man, but I was quite shocked!!


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Ha! Although I haven't been to this "dating" site you mention, I can imagine. It's a wild, wide open www out there. Maybe the spelling with the "o" instead of the "e" got you into that trouble.

The numbers on a speaker rim in Jensen's case refer to magnet type (F= field magnet w/trans mounted on the speaker, P=permanent mounted alnico, C= ceramic, etc. ), speaker size (18" to 8" and 6"X9"Smiley, wattage rating (or quality, in Jensen's case Professional, Concert or Standard) then the manufacture's code (220) and date of manufacture (ex. 416=16th week of a year ending in 4).

This all to do with source-date code and can be applied to some extent to pots and transformers also in order to estimate the year of manufacture of the component.
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/pots.html

The numbers/letters on this speaker I'm dealing with don't follow those source-date codes so that's why I was asking if anyone knew some information.

After getting the reply from Parts Express that it's probably a 25-35 watt speaker, I felt confident enough to turn it up with an 18 watt tube amp I have. I sounds really nice and warm but a little too bassy for my taste. I'm thinking it might be the combination of the Alnico magnet and a closed back cabinet I put it in. More experimenting might be in order.

Thanks for the input Warner.

Post Date: 6/3/2011 @ 12:45 pm

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Try speaker repair shops, a net search will find you some those around the country. They may be able to figure it out from that coding.
If it is real old I hope the cone holds up, time has a way of wearing stuff out. That magnet is good and the speaker may be worth reconing if it goes.

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